>> here we go, thi this is the t of the imus program. i'm connell mcshane. good to have you with us. we have a terrific show lined up for you. we really mean it. imus has been known for those who watched him and listened on the radio as one of the great interviewers and on this particular program we have a couple of his best interviews that happened of late. clive davis for one is a legend in the music business but hs

interview with imus is different than the others. the book called the sound track of my life went through his career. fasingnati even for those not crazy about the music business. for those that are, it will be one of the best interviews. mike breann to used to do sports on the "imus in the morning" program when he was announcer for the knicks and voice for espn. for those that know him for that, you don't know how funny he is but you will. mike breen has a new book called killing imus. we'll leave it there and he'll fill in the blanks. we were crying. we were laughing so hard and you will be as well. we'll have our humorous moments from the crew, including mississippi white boy. and to sing the blues for us and reverend jesse jackson. we begin with the record

producer and music geat, clive davis. >> i was telling clive davis this was the first time in 40 years i've gotten a guest on five minutes earlier than scheduled time but clive davis, of course, is not to embarrass mr. davis, but one of the true music jeans i couldn't says of our -- jeanouses of our lifetime and one of the most fascinating stories. his new book is called the sound track of my life. welcome to the program clive davis. >> thank you very much. good morning. >> imus: so it's a great title for a book because, i got to thinking about it, we ask every guest and have for several years, their five favorite songs. i think it offers insight into where people are coming from and what they like. because everybody, music for

almost everybody on the planet, is the sound track for their life. isn't it? >> to me it reflects that. that's why in the midst of this digital revolution when people say what's the future of music, when you know the underli source is vital and still part of someone's light. it's not going to be made obsolete by a technological revolution. >> the only personi talked to that didn't have five favorite songs and didn't like music was the late, wonderful andy rooney. >> oh. >> he told me he couldn't hear music. but there's music in traffic. there's music in birds. then a more surprise like doris kerns goodman who wrote lincoln

and -- she was a former harvard university professor. and so you would think -- i would think before i asked her that she would like stuff like, i don't know, some sound of music or -- you know who her five favorite songs were? elvis pressley's, don't be cruel. the platters, van morrison moon dance. >> she was hip and she was cool. >> imus: i'll start here because i'm interested in how you became clive davis. i realize they named you that. but your parents died when you were what? >> 18, late teens. >> imus: what did you do want to do then? >> i was going to school. i was just finishing my first year of college. i was always a good student. i was always academic. we had no money, so when those days -- in those days you were

working at your school grades to make sure that you were -- if you were jewish, going up in brooyn in that melting pot, how do you rise boff your station. for me it was the profession of law. i didn't know what a lawyer's life would be. >> imus: so you got a scholarship to nyu. >> yes. >> imus: academic? >> yes. >> no, don, it was football. >> imus: and then a scholarship to harvard law? >> i got a scholarship to harvard law. because of though scholarships, now that's what i do with my primary giving back is really i've endowed a school in my name at nyu for those that want to study music and make it a profession. >> imus: when you graduated from harvard law, what did you do want to do? >> i was ready to go be a lawyer. i chose a small law firm because i was somewhat tired of the

competition. you know, the new york city and the school system is intense. but i found that the small law firm with the biggest client gets merged or bought, you're vulnerable. to i applied to a law firm that represented columbia records and cbs. this was my first lucky break. >> imus: w, at this point in life what role did music play? >> i was just a regular music listener. i didn't collect records. when i look around now and i see those that know from an early age, i listened to the radio. i knew every hit song that was coming out, but not beyond an ordinary civilian. >> imus: the mid 60s? early 60s? >> if we're taling about -- yeah, the late '50s. >> imus: who did you like then? i would say i got into the

battle between bing crosby and frank sinatra. at first bing crosby was the underdog and every girl on my block was in bobby socks and screaming. so i tended, not musically, but to side with bing crosby. i learned the greatest singer of my lifetime, of our ra. turned out to be sinatra. >> imus: what did you think when you heard little richard and jerry lee lewis and fats domino. >> i didn't think very much. i was dedicated and zoned into the career. >> imus: how did little richard hit your ear? >> i'm giving you the direct answer. it hit my ear as being something new. it wasn't something that i said, oh my god, is revolution might be taking place at that time. it was anunusual sound, an

original sound. elvis, i took to him a little earlier than little richard but not in any manner remotely for profession judgment. >> imus: we're talking with clive davis, his book is called the sound track of my life. you're a regular lawyer, law firm in new york. then they merged and one of their clients was columbia records. then what? >> then a lucky break occurred. i was there about three years, harvey shine, roseman and coleman law firm came to me and said you're doing nonlitigation work. if you come to columbia records, i'm the chief lawyer right now. you'll be the chief lawyer within one year, i guarantee you. so my god, i wasn't looking for a job. i knew that none of my clients had really money. the firm really wanted the big corporate cbs.

bill paily was a client. the senior partner, thinking i came from harvard, saying you might be a little bit too ivy league for the rough and tumble record business, and i knew -- because it was advice from my parents, academics is good but people smarts is eually as important. i grew up in a melting pot. i wasn't concerned about going to a company that was not ivory tower on that level. music was not my forte but money was of interest. i was offered more money and a long-term possible career. i took the job. >> imus: so you're a lawyer at columbia records. >> i'm the general council within six months. so i had the top legal position. >> imus: who says to you we want you to be the president of the company? >> i would say five years later, after i read everything. i went back to take courses in

copyright, unfair competition. i threw myself into the record business. i loved the music business, but overnight, the then president of cbs records said to me, you to be head of the musical instruments division. not that he thought he had ears, but he said my executive vice president wants to live in california. so you'll be the head of columbia records. >> imus: so you're the head. you're named the new president of columbia records. who are the artists ten? >> three major categories. they had classical music. every orchestra. new york philharmonic. cleveland. philadelphia they had broadway cast domination, camelot and sound of music, west side story. and they had middle of the road

music that mitch miller, before his tv show, was the definition of a great a & r man. they had johnny mathis and tony bennett and jerry vail. >> imus: was bob dylan there then? >> bob dylan was there, primarily known has a songwriter. >> imus: how about -- >> and simon an garfunkel record just came out, the single, the sound of silence. >> imus: they have to be thinking e oh, god, here's a guy named president of the company, just another lawyer. who is head of a & r. how did you become clive davis? >> i listened. you don't have to be an instant expert. i observed, watched. i learned if you're doing tony

bennett. if you're doing andy williams. if you're doing percy faith, you don't know what's happening in the contemporary sounds. you're living in your own universe. a year later i found myself at the mom and pop festival. >> imus: how did you wind up there? >> i made a deal with lieu adler. >> imus: another great record producer. known -- he lived a mystique. he did ultimately the mamas and papas. i made a deal with him on our first record. a artist called scot scott mckee but the song, if you're going to san francisco, be sure to wear flowers. >> imus: yeah, sure. >> i didn't know -- this was ushering in a music revolution,

a cultural revolution, a social revolution, i'm coming in with khaki pants and a tennis sweater. i was the one that stood out. i was the odd man out in the midst of beads and flowing robes. >> imus: at monterey pop festival. >> at the monterey pop festival. >> imus: who did you see? >> i'm going in the afternoon, i was told there would be young artists appearing. i'm sitting in the fairgrounds, and a group called big brother and the holding company took the stage. no name for their featured singer who turned out to be janice joplin. she was this white soul sister, vibrating, electrifying, compelling. and without sounding mel dramatic, if the word epiphany

has meaning, i knew it was my mome. i never thought i would be on th creative side but i knew i was the only executive that was there and i was determined i was going to sign this group. >> imus: did she sing piece of my heart? >> she did sing piece of my heart. >> imus: originally recorded by aretha franklin's older sister. >> that's right snu-snu it's a different version but janice joplin was not a different species but almost from another world. >> she was from another world. she sang summertime and baal and chain. she was someone that has never been duplicated. >> you cover willie may, big mama thornton and -- that took guts. >> yes, i love your interest in music and your knowledge. >> imus: you signed her. >> so i brought a contract.

she never had a record out. and i did sign them. and the rest, you know, ushered in for me an incredible period where what i saw at monterey, the electric flag. >> imus: he was great. i used to do coke with him at the old lone star. it was great. >> and then you know, for -- i started trusting, do i have an ear? could this be possible? after blood, sweat and tears, bruce springsteen, leading to earth, wind and fire, i found i had a natural talent that i never, ever, ever, would have known that i have. >> we have to take a quick break. part two of the i-man's conversation with clive davis is coming up.

later on, reminiscing with the former imus in the morning sports reporter, mike breen. >> do you remember the first time you fired me? i forgot to put my mic on so it was legitimate. then you called me an f'ing moron that day.

>> imus: talking wit-- the musical genous, clive davis. let me ask you about piece of my hear they recorded in a studio? >> they did, yes. >> imus: were they studio musicians? >> this was something -- this was a rock group and they were

qualified a group. >> imus: when they finished the album, cheap thrills, right? >> yes. >> imus: they didn't have a. >> right. >> imus: selected piece ofy heart to be the single but you wanted to edit it and repeat the chorus. >> that's right. >> imus: here's my question. idiotic question. in those days you work on tape, right? >> yes. >> imus: so did you he did the master tape or did you make a copy? how did that happen? >> first of all i called the engineer saying i have two goals. i have to get this record around three minutes, three minutes and ten seconds to play on the record. i said what we'll do is we'll shorten the instrumental and we must add that chorus one more

time for this to be a candidate for a hit single. i did this with some trepidation. identify never done -- i had never done it before. you don't want to violate the integrity of the artist but i did it. it sounded good to me and with nervousness i approached janice with this edit, with the explanation, if you have a single, instead of your album selling 200, 300,000, it could sell 800,000 to a million. it's that different. the structure is preserved but these are e changes that have been made. i played it for her. she listened impassively. sounds okay. >> imus: they must have made a copy. you would have lost a generation. >> it might have happened. you're pretty hip on this. >> imus: then you signed people

like -- did you spine bruce springsteen? >> jojon hamm pond brought him o me. the worst thing was to be another dylan but he truck me. john hammond and i signed bruce springsteen. >> the battle with these artists, everybody from donovan to alecia keys and all the people in between you worked with, is it the ones who really do well are the ones that will not insist on writing their own songs? >> no. you've got to make this distinction. for the first number of years, i only signed self-contained rock artists so that they all wrote their own material.

janice and big brother did not but they came with their material. they wanted to do summertime. it was they who decided. there was never a question of bmitting outside material. you don't submit outside material to rock artists because you're looking for cutting edge artists. 80, 85%, in those days 100 for me. i never touched the idea or the issue of submitting songs. you only submit songs -- and that's what i did when i founded arista records in 1974, there's a & r. artist and repertoire. no one was doing what mitch and jerry did, finding material for artists that -- >> imus: i have a couple minutes left. did you like the beatles?

>> when the beatles -- did they explode in my face when i heard i want to hold your hand? no. >> imus: i thousand dollars it was the -- i thought it was the everily brothers. >> did i think it was the greatest group? no. i was not involved with them. >> imus: how about what they were doing at motown. did you like that? >> the beatles? >> imus: did you like barry gordand. >> motown cornered the record on the singles. this string of hit singles, still to this day, is memorable. >> imus: would you have signed the beach boys? >> i would like to think that i would have signed the beach boys. innovative, fresh, original, path-finding, creative in every way. >> imus: finally, of course the -- one of the greatest singers i've heard in my

lifetime is whittny houston. there were a number of occasions you tried to stop her from doing drugs. did she ever respond? >> she did respond but she responded either with silence or denial. i write in my book how i approached her in person when -- after her marriage, when it was pretty clear that she did have a problem. but she was always on top of the game when she was with me. >> imus: we've got a couple of seconds left. >> i approached her and she just said it's not as bad as you think. and she wasn't ready. i then wrote her a letter that i quote, after i saw her skeleton on the michael jackson concert and there i begged her to trust me, that she won't be this. >> imus: this is a great book and we could -- i could talk to you for an hour. but it's been 15 minutes and --

20 minutes. what an honor to have you on the program. thanks for telling us about your life and how you became clive davis. >> well, you're very kind. i appreciate your kind words. >> the sound track of my life, clive davis. >> connell: next, mike breen from abc and espn and then pitch and reverend jesse jackson. >> i can't tell you how many times i've been at the side of my bed begging to god. >> he wants to live the life o a monk. i wonder if he'll learn con few, snatching the pebble from his hand. my mother made the best toffee in the world.

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>> imus: welcome to the "imus in

the morning," lead voice for the nba on abc, the voice of the knicks, mike breen. >> great to be with you. thanks for having me on. >> imus: do you have a new book? >> it's not finished but it's close. >> imus: what's it about? >> it's called killing imus. i don't want to -- bill o'reilly had so much success, i don't want to step on his toes but mine's different. his ended in tragedy, mine has a happy ending. [ laughter ] >> imus: that's just not funny. >> the cool thing is you knew who killed lincoln and kennedy. there are a host of suspects in this book. >> imus: there would be, wouldn't there. >> like your family. how's your family? >> imus: they're fine. >> how old is wyatt. >> imus: 14. >> is he still doing rodeo

competitions? i haven't heard much about that lately. >> imus: no he gave that up. >> oh, okay. i remember when he was born, you guys were worried you weren't going to have anything in common because you were an older father. but didn't your teeth fall out at the same time? the two of you? >> imus: some -- no wonder you wwited to come until now. obviously you've been working on the material. >> that's not true. >> mike's turn into jeff ross. >> how is deidre? >> why? >> because i care about your family. >> imus: she's fine. >> a beautiful, smart woman. i still don't understandd you look at how smart she is, it's -- she stands to inherit millions. yet she's the one in charge of your cancer treatment. that's a smart woman. [ laughter ] >> imus: so,. >> he's very emotional. >> imus: when you -- what's emotional? >> being here.

it's been a long time. i'm flooded with memories, wonderful memories. >> imus: we were talking about when we were at fin in queens in the stages of our tenure with him. lou -- i would holler and lou would get angry and go out and sit in the lobby. we would have to beg him to come back in. he got thrown out. that's what happened. >> do you remember the first time you fired me? >> imus: no. >> i forgot to put my mic on, so it was legitimate. you called me a f'ing moron that day. it was a fun day. how about the time my future father-in-law, for a whole week, you said he was in the mob. >> imus: he was, wasn't he it. >> thanksgiving was a fun holiday. >> imus: your wife's maiden

name? >> puntanila. the ninth time you fired me i called a country song a country western song and you erupted. >> imus: i have a better temper. >> you fired me for four days. just had a baby, just bought a house. i didn't sleep for four days. chest pains, good times. >> imus: things have worked out. when you came to nbc, did you come as an intern? >> no i was working one day a week, producing the weekend show. >> how did you et that. >> chris doyle hired me. he was the producer six days a week and i was one day. >> imus: that's what you did at fordham? >> yes. >> imus: did you want to be a sportscaster? >> yes, i did. >> imus: you did? >> i did. we both worked at the radio station at fordham. >> imus: who did?

>> right here. my idol. >> imus: did you together? >> he's a little bit older. >> imus: so you got a job as nbc and went to work for dave simms. >> right, i was his producer. great to work with. >>mus: did you always want to do basketball? >> yes, basketball is always my favorite. >> imus: really? >> yes. >> imus: so -- so did you success -- boy, you first did the new york liberty or something? >> no, new york liberty -- i was doing knicks on radio. a scoop for the knicks. >> imus: you signed dennis rodman. >> tyson chandler was playing too many minutes so bill russell they signed to a 10-day. he's 79 but healthy. that knee he was is okay. >> imus: mike breen went from working with dave simms and producing on the weekends on nbc

to -- it's quite a run. >> the key was coming to this show. >> imus: that's not patronize. >> it's true. you don't remember the first day. i went back into your office, dale parsons was program director. he brought me back there. don criqui -- >> imus: i love don criqui, the single-most difficult person i worked with other than murray the cave. >> don criqui difficult to work with? >> oh my god. a great guy, great sense of humor. >> he used to miss every friday and monday so i asked if i could fill in. he said let's bring you back to the office. he hadn't quite given up drinking and you were pretty much three seets so the wind but you said okay. i walked in the next day and you said who the f are you? >> imus: i was probably drunk when i signed off. >> i think you were.

but you were a kind drunk. >> imus: you were great. you became great. so who is the best player in the nba now, lebron? >> yes. >> imus: not kobe? >> no, but kobe has been phenomenal. he's? his 17th year. tim duncan, another guy in his 16th year. then kevin garnett, the older players, it's unbelievable. duncan can't believe how good he's playing. he'll know when to stop. is there anything sadder than a former legend to keeps going and doesn't realize it's done? fans know, people around him know, but they continue to go? >> imus: sad, isn't it? >> sometimes it's in sports, sometimes in entertainment, sometimes? broadcasting. >> imus: there has been debate among the mouth breathers in sports about who is the best player of all time, generated by the birthday of michael jordan, the best i ever saw other than

bill russell. i don't know anything about basketball, i'm talking bout somebody who i thought was great. >> he's the greatest champion. won more titles. >> imus: who did he say was better than lebron? >> kobe. >> let lebron finish his career before we talk about who is better. how many guys in the first -- >> imus: wait a minute, i'm 72. >> really. >> imus: we don't have a lot of ti. life's -- i live in the now. >> we want answers. >> imus: i don't have time to wait for lebron to finish his stupid career and take his talents black to cleveland in order to have this discussion. >> i'm sorry. is there something you haven't told everybody? >> imus: , know want you to hug me. so who are you working with? >> jeff van gundy.

>> imus: very good. >> he's -- because of his ability and knowing the rules and game. this year in the playoffs, they have a different set of rules for the nba playoffs. last year there was a bunch of blowouts and it's not fun for the fans. this year, if a team is down by 20 or more at any point in the game, and you hit a half-court shot, the game is tied. brand-new rule. >> imus: who will be in the championship? we have a few seconds. >> miami is still a favorite. >> imus: do you have any more lines? >> i got rid of them at quickly as i could. >> imus: kelly was all over that. >> miami's the favorite. in the west, it's between oklahoma city, san antonio, and believe it or not. l.a. clippers have a shot. >> imus: the goal for the lakers is to make the playoffs. will they? >> i believe they will. >> imus: you do? >> yes, i do. >> imus: kobe's got to do great and the rest of the team. >> that's really good insight.

>> imus: no i -- laughter ] >> kobe has do great. when i do the next lakers game, that's what i'm going to say on the air. kobe has to do great. >> imus: all of the players have a bunch of broods around the country. do you? >> some of them are married. before we go you have to say? >> imus: i love you. >> some of our more humorous moments are up next. >> i wouldn't hit you guns, and that's low. >> what? >> where is thisankle -- angst g from. you can't have a haircut like that. >> why do we have to -- it's as simple as this. at bny mellon, our business is investments. managing them, moving them, making them work.

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>> on a lighter note this new video has been passed along, i'll describe it to you. tom bowman out of great britain, mystery man dressed as batman demonstrating the same skills as batman. he handed over a suspect wanted for burglary in brooklyn. there's closed circuit television footage of him. over weight, like the batman from the old tv show wearing -- i don't think the costume fits. >> the utility belt isn't going to do it. >> he was bringing a 27-year-old man to the police station. the suspect was arrested and charged with handling stolen goods and fraud-related offenses but batman over there in great britain was able to bring him down zoo batman had a big ol' beer gut. >> absolutely. >> imus: instead of the morning program, looks like steve

bartleman. >> you want to be robin? [ laughter ] >> i asked lou why -- you said how much possible money could mcthmcmcelroy get for switching clubs and he said $100 million. >> it hasn't helped. he hasn't won anything. >> i heard jack nicklaus say he used to play with three different sets depending where he played. one set where he played at the british open, another sethe played someplace else. he said it was a minor adjustment. but then he may have been used to playing with those three

clubs. but golfis like joe bieber says and vince l vince lombardi and r coaches, it's 80% mental. i was having this ugly argument request dagen mcdowell about danica patrick in that as talented as she is, great courage, you win up here. they all get fast cars, they all get -- they can change their tires in 15 seconds and all that sort of thing. clean your windshield. >> sure. >> imus: but if you don't think you can win, you can't win. >> that's right. >> imus: you can say -- but that's ... yeah, that's where he's at. >> we all agree. >>mus: seems like a night kid, though. >> connell: funny you say that, here's the understatement of the year. you don't mcelroy walked off

the court, inth hole. so he said yesterday it was not the right thing to do. of course one hour later, he got a dentist in belfast, ireland, to fax a statement to the pga saying he had a sore wisdom tooth. >> he won't be making it today. >> imus: bernard's not here. lou knows too. wait a minute, put that graphic of that blonde up again. >> let's take another look at this. >> imus: flashed back too quick. >> here it comes. here we go. >> tory birch. >> i would hit it. >> she wouldn't have you with that haircut. >> imus: who is she married to? >> she was married to -- what was his name? he was involvein the business and they separated. they're completely brogan up. she was dating cohen, the music

executive. she's divorced and she might be on the market. >> imus: well, there's -- >> i got faith. >> imus: there's no hope for guns. >> i wouldn't hit you, guns, and that's low. >> imus: what? >> is that where we're going? >> where is this angst coming from? >> why do we have to make -- i mean. >> you can't have a haircut like that. >> why do we have to take down his self-esteem? >> the "best of imus" airs weekend mornings on the "fox business" new york. the rev coming up. >> you would never think a dude with all that skin did graffiti would wear a size three elevator shoes. common ground it found in basket. i got erratic dogmatic, layup

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rodman is like u tant except with body pierces. he ain't exactly henry kissinger. he prevents that crazy midget from slam dunking us with nues. >> imus: i like the way he worked in call me maybe. pretty hip. >> got to be like today's headlines. >> imus: you ought to see dagen when you come to work. >> today was really bad. >> imus: she's got her dress on and underneath, a pair of greasy sweatpants and her hair in wal-mart, moon pie rollers. >> soup cans. >> and i hideously, ugly soiled sneakers. >> today i had my tee shirt on over my dress, which makes no

sense. only thing missing is a shopping cart full of bottles. >> shoving that down the street. not to belabor this danica conversation but you can get out and say i didn't want to @%nish -- but she doesn't think she can beat jimmie johnson. >> that's not true. that's not true, based on people who work with her, it's not true. she's a racer in it to win it. >> imus: she does not think she can win. >> yes, she does. >> imus: no she doesn't and she's not going to win. it's a quarter after the hour, time for sports. >> why do you ce about that? >> it's always people like dagen who have no idea what they're talking about and not a clue and they know somebody in a pit crew. and suddenly they're an authority. >> she doesn't think she can win. >> for those of you listening to

us. >> imus: she has the fastest car and couldn't win. you know why she couldn't win? she didn't think she could win. i'm bring joe bieber up here. he won eight world titles because he thought he could beat everybody. she's not going to win titles of anything because she doesn't think they can get it done. >> yeah. >> imus: you know what i mean. you can't just say you do. there's something about just -- some people got it, some people don't. she doesn't have it. >> for those listening to us, the millions on the radio, dagen spent most of the last 15 seconds pounding the table and screaming. >> i shut her mic off because i'm channeling rollo. >> yeah, mic switch. >> imus: welcome to the "imus in the morning," the reverend jesse jackson. good morning. >> good morning. >> the pope retired, he's enjoying his life as a swinging bachelor. well, maybe swinging bachelor is

taking it too far. i was a 85-year-old virgin, checking that box would be the first thing on the list. that's the i difference, when we praise the lord's names in our bedrooms, we're not alone. i can't tell how many times i've begged god -- thanking god for what i was about to receive. i wish pope benedict a happy retirement. he plans to live the life of a monk. i wonder if he'll learn kung fu, roam the wild. he could get a full-time job at wal-mart. who wouldn't want to be welcomed in latin. he could get a realty tv show. real house folks of vatican city. them telme you don't want to see the pope on bravo. he was go to the casino and play the slots. if he can't win, you know they're fixed. keep hope alive, pope emeritus

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